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Jennifer P's avatar

Okay Cara, in my previous message I meant to say I have some "NUMBERS" but I got busy.

So I am a freak too and I am that person who has been counting screen minutes and seconds for many of the WCTH characters since season 9 and even went back and did quite a bit of counting for seasons 6-8, because I had a lot of the same questions you did -- we complain a lot about our favorite characters not having enough screentime and I realized that in some episodes my favorite characters would only have about 4-6 minutes in a 42 minutes episdoe, which seems woefully sad. Yet with such a large ensemble cast how much screentime can one character reasonably have when that time has to be shared with over a dozen other people?

So I started counting minutes and seconds, not scenes like you did. You scene-number :D data is very interesting and very much corresponds with my numbers. I have noticed that in seasons 8 and 9, sspecially season 9, so many of the scenes were very short -- like 15-30 seconds long -- except for Elizabeth and Lucas who several 2-3 minute uninterrupted scenes over 12 episodes. Our new showrunner is spoiling us with lots of scenes that last 60-90 seconds or longer, and scenes that weave characters in and out of a single longer scene, so they can put 3-4 smaller scenes inside a big giant scene and it flows and feels so easy for the viewers.

You need to go to Instagram to see the Charts I posted -- @homesweetheartie. Go to the gallery and there is a highlights link to all the screentime posts. I think you will really enjoy it! I also have pages and pages of raw data so if you want to ask anything specific, feel free.

Interestingly, I only started counting Elizabeth's screentime for s10e12 the finale, and in that 42 minutes episode she had 22 minutes of screentime -- just over 50% of the entire episode. This season so far the lowest amount of screentime for Elizabeth was 14 minutes, and that was the most recent one in which Joseph actually had 14.5 minutes and so I would say he was the lead for that ONE episode.

You asked about Nathan and Allie's scenes --

In season SEVEN Nathan and Allie had MASSIVE amounts of screentime (Nathan 101 min, Allie 50 min) including a lot of scenes together (12 min). Nathan's screentime was descreased, 80-86 min, in s8-9, and Allie's screentime more than halved. In season 9 they only had a little over 2 minutes of time together on screen - 1 entire scene (calling him "Dad") and 2 partial scenes (one on Main St with Robert and one in the cafe with Mei.)

And interestingly, I have actually compared Nathan and Lucas' screentime over the 5.5 seasons -- and they have mostly had ALMOST equal screentiimes totals overall, with Lucas usually being about 20-30 minutes ahead of Nathan. Nathan's number has been catching up with season 11, but I haven't yet calculated exactly where they are after e8.

Okay well I just waved my freak flag really frantic -- as we do when we find someone who will appreciate our special brand of FREAK -- like I think you will, ha ha

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I appreciate your insight! My biggest compliant the last few years have been WCTH's underutilization of the cast and time. Which brings me to my biggest complaint about Episode 7 - The Choir Storyline. The Choir storyline felt like a waste of time and It could have been focused on something more meaningful. Since it was two-part storyline and glaringly obvious they wouldn't actually go to the festival I felt they should not spent so much time on it. Which is why I felt it was a HUGE step back from Episode 6. Furthermore, I felt like Tom's return could have been more positive.

II hope this link works, but this is the section of my Episode 7 Recap where I focus on the Choir Audition and what bothered me about it. https://heartiethoughts.substack.com/i/143797206/the-chior-fesitival-audition

Pacing is something I have struggled with this season but that was only the tip of the iceberg. You went deeper by shedding light on the fact the cast is too big. I had not realized 7 people left but 14 new ones came on! That's great but also does not help with pacing or quality of the show. I have a blog post mostly written on the pacing of show but I am hesitant to share because some of my recent recaps have negative undertones.

As for creative solutions, I feel like they need to have fewer main storylines that drag out the entire season. For example, the resort and shooting storylines do not need to be 12-episodes. Mid-season wrap up would have been a lot better and left 6 episodes to explore the aftermath from the resolution of those storylines.

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